semi ot? Smith Driving System

necromancer - ECH

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by necromancer - ECH » Tue, 26 May 2009 10:14:38

On Sun, 24 May 2009 16:33:38 -0700, Scott in SoCal


>In message


>>How many readers are familiar with the Smith Driving System
>>http://www.ringcar.com/
>>I've taken the course at work and I think it does reinforce good
>>driving habits.

>I learned all 5 of those keys in my high school Driver's Ed class
>(although I don't recall it having any special name like "The Smith
>System"). They're all common sense things that have served me well in
>the nearly 3 decades since.

>Maintaining a good space cushion is something I see very few drivers
>doing. They tailgate, they LLB, they Duckling, they micro-pass other
>vehicles. When did they stop teaching these things to high school
>kids?

Do they even offer driver training in high schools any more?

--
"Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned
 Given the chance, I'll probablly do it again..."
                         --Jimmy Buffett

John David Gal

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by John David Gal » Tue, 26 May 2009 13:02:31


> Maintaining a good space cushion is something I see very few drivers
> doing. They tailgate, they LLB, they Duckling, they micro-pass other
> vehicles. When did they stop teaching these things to high school
> kids?

To my generation (and later), that old saw is like telling kids that
*** kills: they already know so many counter-examples that all
the teller accomplishes is to lower his own credibility yet again.

Not only does tailgating in normal freeway traffic seldom have bad
consequences (because the people in front of you don't want to stop
any more than you do), but more importantly, NOT tailgating tells the
world that you are a patsy and *everyone* will cut you off.  Anyone
who has driven on a crowded freeway knows this.

The only people who really shouldn't tailgate are drivers of big rigs
and buses -- and in their case, "leaving yourself an out" isn't even
possible if the people around you don't feel like letting you have it.
The big rig is incapable of either the quick acceleration needed to
keep the line-jumpers out, or the quick braking needed to avoid hitting
a line-jumper who slams on his brakes soon after getting in front of
him.  The big rig also can't dodge to either side (their drivers are
carefully taught to unlearn that reflex, as it is a good way to flip
your load on its side & maybe squish two or three cars instead of one).

The only hope I see of changing these hard facts is if automatic-driving
technology ever gets off the ground.  *It* could make people stay a safe
distance apart (or it could have a good enough reaction time to make it
unnecessary to do so, or both).  But otherwise, tailgating *will* happen
and it's stupid to tell car drivers not to do it.

gpsma

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by gpsma » Tue, 26 May 2009 13:17:46


> In message


> >How many readers are familiar with the Smith Driving System

> I learned all 5 of those keys in my high school Driver's Ed class
> (although I don't recall it having any special name like "The Smith
> System"). They're all common sense things that have served me well in
> the nearly 3 decades since.

That may be the funniest thing ever posted to Usenet.

Drivers who practice Smith methods don't have your problems to report,
and you have more problems to report than practically anybody.

And, you've reported being in 5 (FIVE) crashes.  Your standard of good
service seems a tad on the low side.

And neither do you, extraordinary nitwit.  The only way to maintain a
good space cushion (3 seconds or more) for any appreciable length of
time in urban traffic by driving slower than the flow.

Your chief complaint is everyone "in your way".  You report delays in
your travel in seconds and portions thereof.  You have never once
exhibited the slightest respect for velocity, in fact it seems you
couldn't be more contemptuous of its properties.

You, obviously, could not be in the habit of driving slower than the
flow, or more obviously completely full of shit.

(What would've been funnier here is your cognitive dissonance routine-
how these observations have led you to conclude that what everybody
needs is these drivers at greater velocity/a link to your posts
explaining how 1/2 car length at 88fps is a perfectly safe following
distance for you in a Corvette.  Oh.  Wait.  That's why you stopped
archiving your posts.  My bad.)

When did "who" stop teaching these things to high school kids?

You seem to imply that responsibility belongs to high school DriversEd
teachers, and that those teachers are perpetually responsible for the
driving habits developed by former students, and you're easily
demonstrably stupid enough to make those conclusions perfectly
reasonable.

Cute, poorly written as it is, but speed is more like ***.  No
***, no pregnancy.

Your sig conflicts with the content of your post.  Man, that's
*classic* k00k.
 -----

- gpsman

harry

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by harry » Tue, 26 May 2009 23:10:22




> > Maintaining a good space cushion is something I see very few drivers
> > doing. They tailgate, they LLB, they Duckling, they micro-pass other
> > vehicles. When did they stop teaching these things to high school
> > kids?

> To my generation (and later), that old saw is like telling kids that
> *** kills: they already know so many counter-examples that all
> the teller accomplishes is to lower his own credibility yet again.

> Not only does tailgating in normal freeway traffic seldom have bad
> consequences (because the people in front of you don't want to stop
> any more than you do), but more importantly, NOT tailgating tells the
> world that you are a patsy and *everyone* will cut you off. ?Anyone
> who has driven on a crowded freeway knows this.

> The only people who really shouldn't tailgate are drivers of big rigs
> and buses -- and in their case, "leaving yourself an out" isn't even
> possible if the people around you don't feel like letting you have it.
> The big rig is incapable of either the quick acceleration needed to
> keep the line-jumpers out, or the quick braking needed to avoid hitting
> a line-jumper who slams on his brakes soon after getting in front of
> him. ?The big rig also can't dodge to either side (their drivers are
> carefully taught to unlearn that reflex, as it is a good way to flip
> your load on its side & maybe squish two or three cars instead of one).

> The only hope I see of changing these hard facts is if automatic-driving
> technology ever gets off the ground. ?*It* could make people stay a safe
> distance apart (or it could have a good enough reaction time to make it
> unnecessary to do so, or both). ?But otherwise, tailgating *will* happen
> and it's stupid to tell car drivers not to do it.

It is people driving as you advocate that are the cause of the multi
car crashes on freeways.

Harry K

Larry Sheldo

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by Larry Sheldo » Tue, 26 May 2009 23:28:11





>>> Maintaining a good space cushion is something I see very few drivers
>>> doing. They tailgate, they LLB, they Duckling, they micro-pass other
>>> vehicles. When did they stop teaching these things to high school
>>> kids?
>> To my generation (and later), that old saw is like telling kids that
>> *** kills: they already know so many counter-examples that all
>> the teller accomplishes is to lower his own credibility yet again.

>> Not only does tailgating in normal freeway traffic seldom have bad
>> consequences (because the people in front of you don't want to stop
>> any more than you do), but more importantly, NOT tailgating tells the
>> world that you are a patsy and *everyone* will cut you off.  Anyone
>> who has driven on a crowded freeway knows this.

>> The only people who really shouldn't tailgate are drivers of big rigs
>> and buses -- and in their case, "leaving yourself an out" isn't even
>> possible if the people around you don't feel like letting you have it.
>> The big rig is incapable of either the quick acceleration needed to
>> keep the line-jumpers out, or the quick braking needed to avoid hitting
>> a line-jumper who slams on his brakes soon after getting in front of
>> him.  The big rig also can't dodge to either side (their drivers are
>> carefully taught to unlearn that reflex, as it is a good way to flip
>> your load on its side & maybe squish two or three cars instead of one).

>> The only hope I see of changing these hard facts is if automatic-driving
>> technology ever gets off the ground.  *It* could make people stay a safe
>> distance apart (or it could have a good enough reaction time to make it
>> unnecessary to do so, or both).  But otherwise, tailgating *will* happen
>> and it's stupid to tell car drivers not to do it.

> It is people driving as you advocate that are the cause of the multi
> car crashes on freeways.

Amen, brother.

There is no circumstance where a sane person can not leave him- or
herself an out.  There is no circumstance where following closer than 2
or 3 seconds is required, or makes sense.

I have demonstrated to my own satisfaction that maintaining a gap at
traffic lights ("see the ground under the rear wheels of the vehicle
ahead") allows a string of alert drivers to transit the area quicker.
--
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                                              learn from their mistakes.
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allnite

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by allnite » Wed, 27 May 2009 07:57:41




> > Maintaining a good space cushion is something I see very few drivers
> > doing. They tailgate, they LLB, they Duckling, they micro-pass other
> > vehicles. When did they stop teaching these things to high school
> > kids?

> To my generation (and later), that old saw is like telling kids that
> *** kills: they already know so many counter-examples that all
> the teller accomplishes is to lower his own credibility yet again.

What gerneration is that, how old are you JDG?
It may be normal but that doesnt make it right!!! If something does
happen and the guys in front of you stop or slow suddenly BANG!!!,
thats why there are chain reaction wrecks! The ppl in front of you
"may not want to stop anymore than you" but the reality is its not
your choice whether traffic ahead of you stops or not! I cant count
the number of chain reactions I've witnessed and cuz I had a space
cushion, I continue on my way while the dummys spend an hour filling
out accident reports.
I cant believe you actually think that "more importantly ppl with
think youre a patsy and coward" cuz of your driivng skills, I DONT
CARE WHAT PPL THINK OF ME WHEN i'M DRIVING, I'm on the road to get

WRONG!!!  Watch what happens when I move my 80,000lb, 70' vehicle onto
the dotted line a little bit toward you (I'm not saying run you off
the road) but all I gotta do is ease over toward you and taa-daa I
have room to manuever!
I CAN keep line jumpers out and have many times, especially if moving
slow, I just hang tight enought to the car in front and ease toward
the line jumper and they run out of room, if your only moving a few
mph, it can be done!
Its not stupid to tell car and truck drivers not to tailgate, it
useless!!
allnite

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by allnite » Wed, 27 May 2009 08:06:06






> >>> Maintaining a good space cushion is something I see very few drivers
> >>> doing. They tailgate, they LLB, they Duckling, they micro-pass other
> >>> vehicles. When did they stop teaching these things to high school
> >>> kids?
> >> To my generation (and later), that old saw is like telling kids that
> >> *** kills: they already know so many counter-examples that all
> >> the teller accomplishes is to lower his own credibility yet again.

> >> Not only does tailgating in normal freeway traffic seldom have bad
> >> consequences (because the people in front of you don't want to stop
> >> any more than you do), but more importantly, NOT tailgating tells the
> >> world that you are a patsy and *everyone* will cut you off. ?Anyone
> >> who has driven on a crowded freeway knows this.

> >> The only people who really shouldn't tailgate are drivers of big rigs
> >> and buses -- and in their case, "leaving yourself an out" isn't even
> >> possible if the people around you don't feel like letting you have it.
> >> The big rig is incapable of either the quick acceleration needed to
> >> keep the line-jumpers out, or the quick braking needed to avoid hitting
> >> a line-jumper who slams on his brakes soon after getting in front of
> >> him. ?The big rig also can't dodge to either side (their drivers are
> >> carefully taught to unlearn that reflex, as it is a good way to flip
> >> your load on its side & maybe squish two or three cars instead of one).

> >> The only hope I see of changing these hard facts is if automatic-driving
> >> technology ever gets off the ground. ?*It* could make people stay a safe
> >> distance apart (or it could have a good enough reaction time to make it
> >> unnecessary to do so, or both). ?But otherwise, tailgating *will* happen
> >> and it's stupid to tell car drivers not to do it.

> > It is people driving as you advocate that are the cause of the multi
> > car crashes on freeways.

> Amen, brother.

> There is no circumstance where a sane person can not leave him- or
> herself an out. ?There is no circumstance where following closer than 2
> or 3 seconds is required, or makes sense.

> I have demonstrated to my own satisfaction that maintaining a gap at
> traffic lights ("see the ground under the rear wheels of the vehicle
> ahead") allows a string of alert drivers to transit the area quicker.
> --
> Requiescas in pace o email ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Two identifying characteristics
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? of System Administrators:
> Ex turpi causa non oritur actio ? ? ? ?Infallibility, and the ability to
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? learn from their mistakes.
> Eppure si rinfresca

> ICBM Targeting Information:
> ? ? ? ?http://www.ringcar.com/
> ? ? ? ?http://www.ringcar.com/

Right on LArry!!
Scott5..

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by Scott5.. » Wed, 27 May 2009 16:53:19

I remember reading a 1960s driving textbook (which any roadgeek could
salivate over... it describes stop signs as occasionally being yellow,
has a map of the interstate system with suffixed routes, and photos of
what appears to be the Dan Ryan Expressway in its early days) which
included the five Smith System tenets, and advised that whenever you
find it impossible to leave yourself a space cushion, you know it is
time to leave the freeway and find an alternate route.
John David Gal

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by John David Gal » Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:01:02


> Would you settle for telling them not to do it NEEDLESSLY? Like the
> morons who zoom up behind another car at Warp 9 and sit there
> tailgating even though there is an open lane available to pass.

Agree.

You don't control the part that's not in front of you, so advising you
to maintain it is silly.

Agree.

Such conditions are universal on Southern California freeways, even in
the middle of the night and on weekends.

John David Gal

semi ot? Smith Driving System

by John David Gal » Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:03:14

I'm in my 40s, and have been on the Internet since before it was open
to people outside of academia and DOD.