Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERER

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERER » Thu, 21 May 2009 03:10:24

The ethanol industry bribed your congressmen into forcing ethanol into
your car's tank. Another giant scam.

http://www.ringcar.com/

Last July was bad enough for motorists on a budget -- gasoline prices had
shot up to more than $4 a gallon. But for some the pain in the pocketbook
was about to get worse. At City Garage in Euless, Tex., for example, the
first of numerous future customers brought in an automobile whose fuel
pump was shot. A quick diagnosis determined that that particular car had
close to 18% ethanol in the fuel. For that unlucky owner, the repairs
came to nearly $900. The ethanol fun was just beginning.

City Garage manager Eric Greathouse has found that adding ethanol to the
nation's gasoline supply may be a foolish government mandate, but it has
an upside he'd rather not deal with. It's supplying his shop with a slow
but steady stream of customers whose plastic fuel intakes have been
dissolved by the blending of ethanol into our gasoline, or their fuel
pumps destroyed. The average cost of repairs is just shy of $1,000.

It gets better. Scott Morrison is the owner of the City Garage chain in
North Texas and he related the story of his technical director's run-in
with ethanol; in December he filled up his E85 Flex Fuel Chevy Suburban
at the Exxon station in Ovilla, just south of Dallas. His Suburban died
on the spot, because even an E85-equipped vehicle will not run on the
100% pure ethanol that Exxon station was pumping that day. In that case
it was not Exxon's fault but a mistake at the distribution center, and
Exxon (xom.) quickly made good for the cost of repairs.

On Jan. 16 of this year, Lexus ordered a massive recall of certain 2006
to 2008 models, including the GS Series, IS and LS sedans. According to
the recall notice, the problem is that "Ethanol fuels with low moisture
content will corrode the internal surface of the fuel rails." In layman's
terms, ethanol causes pinpoint leaks in the fuel system; when leaking
fuel catches your engine on fire, that's an exciting way to have your
insurance company buy your Lexus. Using ethanol will cost Toyota (tm.)
untold millions.

An Unpublicized Trend

Though the media is ignoring it, one can easily find many stories on BMW
(BMWG.DE) blogs relating similar problems with fuel systems damaged by
the use of ethanol. Certainly that was the case with Christi Jordan and
her 2007 Mini. For weeks it was difficult to start; Moritz BMW in
Arlington, Tex., inspected it and found severe carbon buildup inside the
engine. On her second trip to the mechanics they decided to test the
ethanol content of Christi's fuel and found it was much higher than the
federally mandated limit of 10%. This time the fuel pump had been
destroyed by the ethanol. The repair bill came to $1,200: As in all cases
where vehicles are damaged by ethanol, legally the factory warranty no
longer applied.

Jim Keppler, Moritz's fixed operations director, said he's had at least
10 other cases of ethanol poisoning in Minis over the past six months.
Christi was one of the lucky ones; Moritz covered her repairs. But
there's no telling how many motorists across the nation have had to pay
for fuel pumps, or fuel systems, that ethanol damaged. Most were probably
unaware of the real culprit behind the breakdown, because virtually no
repair shop tests the level of ethanol in the gasoline when these fuel
system problems occur.

And there are active lawsuits from boat owners; ethanol broke down the
resins in their fiberglass gas tanks, destroying their marine engines.
Additionally, those who deal in small gas engines for lawnmowers, edgers,
and weedeaters have quickly learned that, as Briggs & Stratton's (bgg.)
Web site warns, "Ethanol-blended gasoline can attract moisture, which
leads to separation and formation of acids during storage. Acidic
gasoline can damage the fuel system of an engine while in storage. B&S
strongly recommends removing ethanol-blended fuels from engine during
storage."

Like motorists, if landscaping tool owners put gasoline with more than
10% ethanol in their small engines, that immediately voids any factory
warranties. In the case of the Lexus recall, using just a 10% ethanol
blend was found to be destroying many of these engines also.

Another Government-Mandated Mistake

It now appears that in just a few years since the government forced
ethanol use on the country, engine and fuel system failures caused by
ethanol are causing major damage to more and more new and used vehicles.
This means the hapless owners are not only paying for snake oil in lower
fuel efficiency and more smog, but pay again when it damages their
vehicles and lawn mowers.

Pushed into it by the corn growers' and ethanol refiners' lobbying
organizations, today the EPA is starting to go through the public comment
phase on increasing the level of ethanol in our gasoline from 10% to 15%.
Time and time again we have heard from these groups, who now claim that
there is zero scientific evidence that a 15% blend of ethanol would do
any damage whatsoever if the mandate for ethanol were raised. As with all
statements made by vested interests, few outsiders have actually taken
the time to look and find out whether this statement was true.

In fact, it's false.

Not one mechanic I've spoken with said they would be comfortable with a
15% blend of ethanol in their personal car. However, most suggest that if
the government moves the ethanol mandate to 15%, it will be the dawn of a
new golden age for auto mechanics' income.

(snip)

MFOgilvi

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by MFOgilvi » Thu, 21 May 2009 04:16:27

On May 19, 2:10?pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are ***ERS"


> The ethanol industry bribed your congressmen into forcing ethanol into
> your car's tank. Another giant scam.

> http://www.ringcar.com/

> Last July was bad enough for motorists on a budget -- gasoline prices had
> shot up to more than $4 a gallon. But for some the pain in the pocketbook
> was about to get worse. At City Garage in Euless, Tex., for example, the
> first of numerous future customers brought in an automobile whose fuel
> pump was shot. A quick diagnosis determined that that particular car had
> close to 18% ethanol in the fuel. For that unlucky owner, the repairs
> came to nearly $900. The ethanol fun was just beginning.

> City Garage manager Eric Greathouse has found that adding ethanol to the
> nation's gasoline supply may be a foolish government mandate, but it has
> an upside he'd rather not deal with. It's supplying his shop with a slow
> but steady stream of customers whose plastic fuel intakes have been
> dissolved by the blending of ethanol into our gasoline, or their fuel
> pumps destroyed. The average cost of repairs is just shy of $1,000.

> It gets better. Scott Morrison is the owner of the City Garage chain in
> North Texas and he related the story of his technical director's run-in
> with ethanol; in December he filled up his E85 Flex Fuel Chevy Suburban
> at the Exxon station in Ovilla, just south of Dallas. His Suburban died
> on the spot, because even an E85-equipped vehicle will not run on the
> 100% pure ethanol that Exxon station was pumping that day. In that case
> it was not Exxon's fault but a mistake at the distribution center, and
> Exxon (xom.) quickly made good for the cost of repairs.

> On Jan. 16 of this year, Lexus ordered a massive recall of certain 2006
> to 2008 models, including the GS Series, IS and LS sedans. According to
> the recall notice, the problem is that "Ethanol fuels with low moisture
> content will corrode the internal surface of the fuel rails." In layman's
> terms, ethanol causes pinpoint leaks in the fuel system; when leaking
> fuel catches your engine on fire, that's an exciting way to have your
> insurance company buy your Lexus. Using ethanol will cost Toyota (tm.)
> untold millions.

> An Unpublicized Trend

> Though the media is ignoring it, one can easily find many stories on BMW
> (BMWG.DE) blogs relating similar problems with fuel systems damaged by
> the use of ethanol. Certainly that was the case with Christi Jordan and
> her 2007 Mini. For weeks it was difficult to start; Moritz BMW in
> Arlington, Tex., inspected it and found severe carbon buildup inside the
> engine. On her second trip to the mechanics they decided to test the
> ethanol content of Christi's fuel and found it was much higher than the
> federally mandated limit of 10%. This time the fuel pump had been
> destroyed by the ethanol. The repair bill came to $1,200: As in all cases
> where vehicles are damaged by ethanol, legally the factory warranty no
> longer applied.

> Jim Keppler, Moritz's fixed operations director, said he's had at least
> 10 other cases of ethanol poisoning in Minis over the past six months.
> Christi was one of the lucky ones; Moritz covered her repairs. But
> there's no telling how many motorists across the nation have had to pay
> for fuel pumps, or fuel systems, that ethanol damaged. Most were probably
> unaware of the real culprit behind the breakdown, because virtually no
> repair shop tests the level of ethanol in the gasoline when these fuel
> system problems occur.

> And there are active lawsuits from boat owners; ethanol broke down the
> resins in their fiberglass gas tanks, destroying their marine engines.
> Additionally, those who deal in small gas engines for lawnmowers, edgers,
> and weedeaters have quickly learned that, as Briggs & Stratton's (bgg.)
> Web site warns, "Ethanol-blended gasoline can attract moisture, which
> leads to separation and formation of acids during storage. Acidic
> gasoline can damage the fuel system of an engine while in storage. B&S
> strongly recommends removing ethanol-blended fuels from engine during
> storage."

> Like motorists, if landscaping tool owners put gasoline with more than
> 10% ethanol in their small engines, that immediately voids any factory
> warranties. In the case of the Lexus recall, using just a 10% ethanol
> blend was found to be destroying many of these engines also.

> Another Government-Mandated Mistake

> It now appears that in just a few years since the government forced
> ethanol use on the country, engine and fuel system failures caused by
> ethanol are causing major damage to more and more new and used vehicles.
> This means the hapless owners are not only paying for snake oil in lower
> fuel efficiency and more smog, but pay again when it damages their
> vehicles and lawn mowers.

> Pushed into it by the corn growers' and ethanol refiners' lobbying
> organizations, today the EPA is starting to go through the public comment
> phase on increasing the level of ethanol in our gasoline from 10% to 15%.
> Time and time again we have heard from these groups, who now claim that
> there is zero scientific evidence that a 15% blend of ethanol would do
> any damage whatsoever if the mandate for ethanol were raised. As with all
> statements made by vested interests, few outsiders have actually taken
> the time to look and find out whether this statement was true.

> In fact, it's false.

> Not one mechanic I've spoken with said they would be comfortable with a
> 15% blend of ethanol in their personal car. However, most suggest that if
> the government moves the ethanol mandate to 15%, it will be the dawn of a
> new golden age for auto mechanics' income.

> (snip)

I remember back in 1979 when they first started down the road (no pun
intended) with this ethanol garbage.  My wife and I had just purchased
our first brand new car, and I stopped at the local Texaco station to
fill it up.  They had just started using ehtanol as an additive.  With
just that one tank of ethanol crap, the car stranded us four times,
each time with a clogged fuel filter.  It took an additional two fill-
ups with plain gasoline before I finally got the stuff thoroughly
flushed out of the car's fuel system.
John David Gal

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by John David Gal » Thu, 21 May 2009 06:01:47


The Apocalypse must be near: S&DDAM actually posted something intelligent.

John David Gal

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by John David Gal » Thu, 21 May 2009 06:37:49


>    Yep - it's a problematic fuel on a number of levels - not
>    the panacea the eco-lefties swore it would be. The only
>    reason there's so much ethanol around now is that "W"
>    knew it would buy him farm-country votes ... not because
>    he was, or should have been, converted to to this eco-twit
>    cause.

Farm country doesn't have many votes.  But ADM has lots of money.

                                          hygroscopic (or deliquescent)

Ethanol >95% pure will only stay that way if kept in a vacuum.

"Some reason" is ADM.

A better alternative, and one available now, is used cooking oil.
All you have to do is filter it, and run it in any diesel engine.
(But don't try it in a big rig -- the inspectors will fine you as if
it were red-dyed diesel, since it hasn't been taxed.)

Hydrogen isn't an energy source at all; it's like electricity -- a
medium in which to store and transport energy from some other source.
Like electricity, hydrogen is mostly backed by politicians in places
like Los Angeles, where if it worked and were adopted, it would move
LA drivers' pollution to power plant locations hundreds of miles away,
giving *them* cleaner air.  "Screw those guys in Nevada and Utah!"
When the folks in rural places figure this out, they won't like it.
I hope that happens in time for them to kill the idea now, at birth.

lora

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by lora » Thu, 21 May 2009 07:54:08

On May 19, 11:10?am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are ***ERS"


> The ethanol industry bribed your congressmen into forcing ethanol into
> your car's tank. Another giant scam.

> http://www.ringcar.com/

> Last July was bad enough for motorists on a budget -- gasoline prices had
> shot up to more than $4 a gallon. But for some the pain in the pocketbook
> was about to get worse. At City Garage in Euless, Tex., for example, the
> first of numerous future customers brought in an automobile whose fuel
> pump was shot. A quick diagnosis determined that that particular car had
> close to 18% ethanol in the fuel. For that unlucky owner, the repairs
> came to nearly $900. The ethanol fun was just beginning.

I used to go through a bunch of electric fuel pumps back in the 80's..
when local stations started selling ethanol blends.
It got so bad that I kept a spare fuel pump in the trunk of my sports
car ($19 each) - just to replace yet another dead pump.
I got so good that my best record was a pump replacement in 4 minutes
flat.

It finally was revealed that the idiot pump makers were not making
their pump *** diaphrams with non-*** soluable ***..
Something that could have coast (maybe) a few pennies to re-formulate.

PS: Gas just jumped over 20 cents a gallon today.. arab sheikdoms and
international neocon crooks thank you for your continual fossil fuel
support.

John David Gal

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by John David Gal » Thu, 21 May 2009 09:16:04


> PS: Gas just jumped over 20 cents a gallon today.. arab sheikdoms and
> international neocon crooks thank you for your continual fossil fuel
> support.

Ethanol does nothing to address the problem of having to import oil.
Drilling more oil here would.  It's the Democrats who are blocking that.
Thank them.  Then tell them to get the *** out of the way.
Bren

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by Bren » Thu, 21 May 2009 08:20:50


The sugar lobby is right up there with ADM.

I watched some of the hearings back in the early 1990s on ethanol
(cspan)... it was clear as day that the whole thing was for ADM.

Bren

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by Bren » Thu, 21 May 2009 08:21:47


Could be. Big oil has been known to fund "eco-lefties" when it serves
their interests to.

Bren

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by Bren » Thu, 21 May 2009 08:26:43



>> PS: Gas just jumped over 20 cents a gallon today.. arab sheikdoms and
>> international neocon crooks thank you for your continual fossil fuel
>> support.

> Ethanol does nothing to address the problem of having to import oil.
> Drilling more oil here would.  It's the Democrats who are blocking that.
> Thank them.  Then tell them to get the *** out of the way.

Big oil is who doesn't want to drill. They like cheap extraction costs
in the middle east just fine so long as the US taxpayer carries the cost
in dollars and *** for the US interventionist foreign policy that
keeps that oil flowing per the status quo.  

US oil has to be locked up with big oil either holding the rights or the
oil on protected land. Allowing new start up and small oil companies to
drill in such prime areas would serve to damage the effective cartel.
Who knows... maybe one of those new companies will have some new
innovative way of doing something that could threaten big oil. Can't
have that!

Bren

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by Bren » Thu, 21 May 2009 23:07:59


From a technical standpoint sugar cane ethanol is MUCH better than corn.
The reason is because while the sugar is used to produce ethanol,
another part of the plant is used to fuel the process. So outside of the
energy used to plant, grow, and harvest, the ethanol produced is all
energy gain.

Matthew Russot

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by Matthew Russot » Fri, 22 May 2009 04:58:02



>I used to go through a bunch of electric fuel pumps back in the 80's..
>when local stations started selling ethanol blends.
>It got so bad that I kept a spare fuel pump in the trunk of my sports
>car ($19 each) - just to replace yet another dead pump.
>I got so good that my best record was a pump replacement in 4 minutes
>flat.

>It finally was revealed that the idiot pump makers were not making
>their pump *** diaphrams with non-*** soluable ***..

They're not the idiots.  They made the pump according to specs, which
didn't include *** tolerance.  The government changed the specs
after the pumps were made.

Dude, the neocons are OUT.  The 100 days are up.  Time to start
blaming Obama, or at least pinko liberals.
--
It's times like these which make me glad my bank is Dial-a-Mattress

lora

Did ethanol wreck your car's fuel system?

by lora » Fri, 22 May 2009 05:58:17




> > PS: Gas just jumped over 20 cents a gallon today.. arab sheikdoms and
> > international neocon crooks thank you for your continual fossil fuel
> > support.

> Ethanol does nothing to address the problem of having to import oil.
> Drilling more oil here would. ?It's the Democrats who are blocking that.
> Thank them. ?Then tell them to get the *** out of the way.

You are incorrect.
Current daily production of ethanol in the US is (as of 2009 ?
January) ... 630,000 barrels per day.
http://www.ringcar.com/

That comes to about $13 Billion dollars per year that are kept right
here in the US economy - rather than having been sent overseas to
other countries.