They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

N8N

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by N8N » Thu, 21 May 2009 21:34:02


yeah, it's not like "failing to notice a bend in the road" was a more
immediate cause or anything... sheesh.

nate

gpsma

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by gpsma » Thu, 21 May 2009 21:49:32



> > Speed is not only listed as a factor, but it's listed FIRST.

> yeah, it's not like "failing to notice a bend in the road" was a more
> immediate cause or anything... sheesh.

Well, Sparky, it's kinda tough to tell what a dead driver failed to
notice, but you can estimate their velocity after a crash from the
evidence.

"Police *suspect* speed..."
"Velasquez was *apparently speeding*..."

What is it about being a ***tard that inhibits reading comprehension
and encourages grasping at straws...?
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- gpsman

Ulf

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by Ulf » Fri, 22 May 2009 02:16:24



>> Speed is not only listed as a factor, but it's listed FIRST.

> yeah, it's not like "failing to notice a bend in the road" was a more
> immediate cause or anything... sheesh.

Well, it *is* pretty hard to hit stuff when you're standing still... ;-)

Ulf

The Real Be

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by The Real Be » Fri, 22 May 2009 03:36:39




>> > Speed is not only listed as a factor, but it's listed FIRST.

>> yeah, it's not like "failing to notice a bend in the road" was a more
>> immediate cause or anything... sheesh.

> Well, Sparky, it's kinda tough to tell what a dead driver failed to
> notice, but you can estimate their velocity after a crash from the
> evidence.

> "Police *suspect* speed..."
> "Velasquez was *apparently speeding*..."

> What is it about being a ***tard that inhibits reading comprehension
> and encourages grasping at straws...?

There was a recent tragedy here.  A woman inexplicably turned across into
oncoming traffic, rolled and killed herself and one (or two?) of her kids.  In
the article, neighbors were quoted saying something like "Everybody speeds
there, it's like a racetrack" and "When are they going to do something about
it?"  It's a 4-lane + parking/bike lane arterial street and has ALWAYS been
like that (except for the new bicycle lane lines). No comment was made about
seatbelts or cellphones or just plain stupidity.

Bicycle lanes were installed (painted) on that street a couple of years ago.
They have no legal standing whatsoever -- cars can cross them, park in the
lane, drive in the lane, etc. I was informed by the City Engineer that painting
a line there caused people to drive slower.  They didn't use paint, they used
some kind of slippery-when-wet plastic stuff.  Not bike-friendly, driver-hostile.

And then there are the multi-purpose corner extensions cities are building now
-- they make it harder to make right turns, they decrease parking space, and
they force bicyclists out into the traffic lane at the intersection.  They
usually plant some sort of tree or shrub in them, which means that in a little
while a new purpose will appear -- it will be harder to see oncoming traffic,
thereby causing the already pissed-off motorists to creep out into traffic
hoping for the best and then just going for it.

Voting against every single incumbent city official every single time does no
good at all -- they're all members of the same club. And don't get me started
about the hired or appointed ones...

--
Cheers, Bev
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MLOM

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by MLOM » Fri, 22 May 2009 08:00:51




> >> Speed is not only listed as a factor, but it's listed FIRST.

> > yeah, it's not like "failing to notice a bend in the road" was a more
> > immediate cause or anything... sheesh.

> Well, it *is* pretty hard to hit stuff when you're standing still... ;-)

> > nate

> Ulf

Of course...where there is movement there is speed.  The variable is
how much of it.  :)
MLOM

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by MLOM » Fri, 22 May 2009 08:02:07


You just made an apt description of Crooksville...er, um...Kirksville,
MO.  :)

Alexander Rogg

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by Alexander Rogg » Sat, 23 May 2009 07:40:27


> Speed is not only listed as a factor, but it's listed FIRST.

> http://www.ringcar.com/

> ORANGE A 21-year-old woman who crashed her BMW into two concrete
> posts at a Chevron gas station has died as a result of her injuries,
> police said.

That's one less More Money Than Sense driver on the road!

So, the "speed" caused her failure to turn.

The car should actually have had an excellent braking system, if the
driver was able to use it.

It's Darwin coming with the scythe again!

SeaWo

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by SeaWo » Sat, 23 May 2009 16:09:56



> > Speed is not only listed as a factor, but it's listed FIRST.

> >http://www.ringcar.com/

> > ORANGE A 21-year-old woman who crashed her BMW into two concrete
> > posts at a Chevron gas station has died as a result of her injuries,
> > police said.

> That's one less More Money Than Sense driver on the road!

> > Police suspect speed and *** played a factor in the accident,
> > which occurred at 11:30 p.m. Thursday when Velasquez lost control of
> > her BMW, Adams said.

> > Velasquez was apparently speeding southbound on Main Street when she
> > failed to negotiate a bend on the street, just before Chapman Avenue.

> So, the "speed" caused her failure to turn.

> > The BMW continued straight and traveled into the northbound lanes
> > before she jumped the curb at Main and Little Main streets, police
> > said.

> The car should actually have had an excellent braking system, if the
> driver was able to use it.

> > The vehicle then skidded through the parking lot of the Chevron gas
> > station at 1405 W. Chapman Ave. and struck concrete bollards, set up
> > to protect the gasoline pumps.

> It's Darwin coming with the scythe again!

When someone uses the word "speeding" ask the speaker / writer if it
as a law expert would see it of a safety professional would see it.

I could be speeding at 20 in a 40 zone and not speeding at 40 in a 20
zone, if a safety pro is talking. If it's a law expert, then the
meaningless numbers have the power.

gpsma

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by gpsma » Sun, 24 May 2009 00:57:17


Really.  This group is silly with cites from safety professionals
saying almost exactly half of that.
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- gpsman

SeaWo

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by SeaWo » Sun, 24 May 2009 10:10:37



> > When someone uses the word "speeding" ask the speaker / writer if it
> > as a law expert would see it of a safety professional would see it.

> > I could be speeding at 20 in a 40 zone and not speeding at 40 in a 20
> > zone, if a safety pro is talking.

> Really. ?This group is silly with cites from safety professionals
> saying almost exactly half of that.
> ?-----

> - gpsman

What is takes to estimate a safe speed limit. ( for that instant)
 10 to 15 fctors concerning road

10 - 15 factors concerning condition of weather

10 - 15 factors concerning condition of driver

what it take to set a speed limit
   1 writing device
    paper
    authority.

gpsma

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by gpsma » Sun, 24 May 2009 12:50:18




> > > When someone uses the word "speeding" ask the speaker / writer if it
> > > as a law expert would see it of a safety professional would see it.

> > > I could be speeding at 20 in a 40 zone and not speeding at 40 in a 20
> > > zone, if a safety pro is talking.

> > Really. ?This group is silly with cites from safety professionals
> > saying almost exactly half of that.
> > ?-----

> > - gpsman

> What is takes to estimate a safe speed limit. ( for that instant)
> ?10 to 15 fctors concerning road

> 10 - 15 factors concerning condition of weather

> 10 - 15 factors concerning condition of driver

Are you awkwardly trying to vaguely describe what safety professionals
might guess to be "situational awareness"?

Do you have a point, other than you don't know shit about setting
speed limits...?
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- gpsman

SeaWo

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by SeaWo » Mon, 25 May 2009 10:00:45





> > > > When someone uses the word "speeding" ask the speaker / writer if it
> > > > as a law expert would see it of a safety professional would see it.

> > > > I could be speeding at 20 in a 40 zone and not speeding at 40 in a 20
> > > > zone, if a safety pro is talking.

> > > Really. ?This group is silly with cites from safety professionals
> > > saying almost exactly half of that.
> > > ?-----

> > > - gpsman

> > What is takes to estimate a safe speed limit. ( for that instant)
> > ?10 to 15 fctors concerning road

> > 10 - 15 factors concerning condition of weather

> > 10 - 15 factors concerning condition of driver

> Are you awkwardly trying to vaguely describe what safety professionals
> might guess to be "situational awareness"?

> > what it take to set a speed limit
> > ? ?1 writing device
> > ? ? paper
> > ? ? authority.

> Do you have a point, other than you don't know shit about setting
> speed limits...?
> ?-----

> - gpsman- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Speed limits are set by doing a survey of the road in question (but
more often 'similiar' roads) and taking a figure of about 85%  of the
mean speed, if I recall correctly from decades ago for California.
This results in many quesastionable figures appeariung on signs,
leading to drivers ignping them after driving at a higher speed
without incidents many times.
IOW, It teaches disrespect for the law.

Ask a police officer friend of yours to confirm / deny,Also, j
Just for fun, ask him/her who s/he would rather be ordered to "have a
talk" with: someone high on booze (a legal drug) or someone high on
pot (an illegal drug.)
(I've had many police friends - spread over 5000 miles - but never a
policeman enemy.)

gpsma

They Always Gotta Work "Speed" into the List of Causes

by gpsma » Tue, 26 May 2009 11:02:00



> > > What is takes to estimate a safe speed limit. ( for that instant)
> > > ?10 to 15 fctors concerning road

> > > 10 - 15 factors concerning condition of weather

> > > 10 - 15 factors concerning condition of driver

> > Are you awkwardly trying to vaguely describe what safety professionals
> > might guess to be "situational awareness"?

> > > what it take to set a speed limit
> > > ? ?1 writing device
> > > ? ? paper
> > > ? ? authority.

> > Do you have a point, other than you don't know shit about setting
> > speed limits...?

> Speed limits are set by doing a survey of the road in question (but
> more often 'similiar' roads) and taking a figure of about 85% ?of the
> mean speed, if I recall correctly from decades ago for California.

Then that would be "more" than you included in your list.

How...?

Nobody who knows much about driving considers a lack of incidents as
anything but the lowest standard of skill or competency.

Unreasonable speed limits are thought to lead to disrespect for speed
limits.  There's no shortage of people with little if any respect for
any traffic law.

You're suggesting arriving at a stop sign so often when there is no
conflicting traffic is an excuse to ignore stop signs.

Pfft.  Cops don't know any more about driving than you do, and,
barring extraordinary circumstances,  I'm sure none I know care "why"
someone might violate the law.

You lost respect for it?  Oh.  Sorry.  My mistake.
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- gpsman