Michigan smog rules

Wind19

Michigan smog rules

by Wind19 » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I have a job offer from a company in the Detroit area and was wondering if
there are any special smog laws in Michigan.  I am coming from California and
am used to smog laws.

Thanks in advance.

Dustin

pparris

Michigan smog rules

by pparris » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>I have a job offer from a company in the Detroit area and was wondering if
>there are any special smog laws in Michigan.  I am coming from California
and
>am used to smog laws.

>Thanks in advance.

>Dustin

At one time certain Michigan counties required annual emissions testing, but
that was scrapped a few years ago.  There are currently no smog or
mechanical inspections of any kind.
Dan Johnso

Michigan smog rules

by Dan Johnso » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hi Dustin,

I lived in Lansing, MI about 3 years ago and to my knowledge, there are not any
emissions regulations in Detroit or surrounding area.  They did try to do
something with emissions, but there was a big revolt from car enthusiasts, and
since Olds and Ford are pre*** employers throughout lower Michigan, the law
did not pass.  Double check with the Chamber of Commerce in Michigan.  They
probably have a web site.


> I have a job offer from a company in the Detroit area and was wondering if
> there are any special smog laws in Michigan.  I am coming from California and
> am used to smog laws.

> Thanks in advance.

> Dustin

PACTJ

Michigan smog rules

by PACTJ » Sun, 01 Aug 1999 04:00:00

The Tri-County area of Detroit used to have a de-centralized "BAR 84" program
but was killed by our Governor a few years back. (Yeah!)

Grand Rapids had a modified IM-240 program for a while, but I believe it too
has died.

Therefor, we currently have no emissions testing program in place.  We do not
have a safety inspection program either.

jk  ASE Master Technician

Bren

Michigan smog rules

by Bren » Sun, 01 Aug 1999 04:00:00

_RANT ON_

Does anyone else think this is completely idiotic?  It seems that "safety"
is such a big concern, yet 3000+lbs vehicles are permitted to hurtle down
our interstates at warp speeds with critical systems in disrepair (brakes,
tires, steering?).  I cannot comprehend why there is not a more strict
system of safety inspection nationwide.  I think inspections should be done
twice a year!  A car should be in the shop at least that number of time just
for normal maintenance.

_RANT OFF_

Anyway, take care of your cars and each other.

Later,
Brent

Uncle Do

Michigan smog rules

by Uncle Do » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Sorry,can't agree.   I can't take all the control and "into our business"
already.
Your theory is great for middle to uper classes that have new cars and trade
them in every 2-3 years, and can write a check for 300-600 bucks when the shop
says you need repairs.
The poorer people can't afford to keep cars in impecable order.   AND DON'T
anyone start with "Well, then they can't afford to drive" CRAP.    
Anyone can drive what they want.  CAn you say LIABILTY insurance?
William R. Wa

Michigan smog rules

by William R. Wa » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00


>> We do not
>>have a safety inspection program either.

> _RANT ON_

 .......  A car should be in the shop at least that number of time just

Hope that includes letting us doing our own "normal maintenance.  :)

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N. Nels

Michigan smog rules

by N. Nels » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00



> >Does anyone else think this is completely idiotic?  It seems that "safety"
> >is such a big concern, yet 3000+lbs vehicles are permitted to hurtle down
> >our interstates at warp speeds with critical systems in disrepair (brakes,
> >tires, steering?).  I cannot comprehend why there is not a more strict
> >system of safety inspection nationwide.  I think inspections should be done
> >twice a year!  A car should be in the shop at least that number of time just
> >for normal maintenance.

> >_RANT OFF_

> >Anyway, take care of your cars and each other.

> >Later,
> >Brent

> Sorry,can't agree.   I can't take all the control and "into our business"
> already.
> Your theory is great for middle to uper classes that have new cars and trade
> them in every 2-3 years, and can write a check for 300-600 bucks when the shop
> says you need repairs.
> The poorer people can't afford to keep cars in impecable order.   AND DON'T
> anyone start with "Well, then they can't afford to drive" CRAP.    
> Anyone can drive what they want.  CAn you say LIABILTY insurance?

Not to mention that a very small percentage of vehicle accidents are the
result of worn or defective parts.  There are bigger fish to fry!

--
Neil Nelson
***********************************
Send Lawyers Guns and Money,
The shit has hit the fan.  WZ
***********************************

Abernathey Famil

Michigan smog rules

by Abernathey Famil » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00


> > We do not
> >have a safety inspection program either.

> _RANT ON_

> Does anyone else think this is completely idiotic?  It seems that "safety"
> is such a big concern, yet 3000+lbs vehicles are permitted to hurtle down
> our interstates at warp speeds with critical systems in disrepair (brakes,
> tires, steering?).  I cannot comprehend why there is not a more strict
> system of safety inspection nationwide.  I think inspections should be done
> twice a year!  A car should be in the shop at least that number of time just
> for normal maintenance.

--snip--

Howdy!

The cause of highway fatalities is poor maintenance of that small
chunk of grey matter between our ears.

The problem is not car maintenance. The problem is people.

I have the Bureau of Trnsportation Statistics CD. Nothing in there
about vehicle equipment failures.

In other words, safety checks won't save lives.

Thank you
   Don Abernathey

Gennady P. Samokhi

Michigan smog rules

by Gennady P. Samokhi » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00


> The poorer people can't afford to keep cars in impecable order.   AND DON'T
> anyone start with "Well, then they can't afford to drive" CRAP.
> Anyone can drive what they want.  CAn you say LIABILTY insurance?

Well, that is true. Still I personally would hate the thought of myself or my
loved ones being injured or killed due to the unability of poorer people to keep
their cars in proper order.  What do you think about it, Uncle Dodo? Where is the
solution? No offence intended.

Gennady

Robert Er

Michigan smog rules

by Robert Er » Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:00:00

We in Illinois don't have any vehicle inspections, and that's just fine
with me.  I've heard about the inspection and repair scams in other
states.  Here, crashes are caused by idiots and drunks; I've ever heard of
mechanical failure.  
Also, about the only person I let repair my car is *me*.
Bob
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> > >Does anyone else think this is completely idiotic?  It seems that "safety"
> > >is such a big concern, yet 3000+lbs vehicles are permitted to hurtle down
> > >our interstates at warp speeds with critical systems in disrepair (brakes,
> > >tires, steering?).  I cannot comprehend why there is not a more strict
> > >system of safety inspection nationwide.  I think inspections should be done
> > >twice a year!  A car should be in the shop at least that number of
time just
> > >for normal maintenance.

> > >_RANT OFF_

> > >Anyway, take care of your cars and each other.

> > >Later,
> > >Brent

> > Sorry,can't agree.   I can't take all the control and "into our business"
> > already.
> > Your theory is great for middle to uper classes that have new cars and trade
> > them in every 2-3 years, and can write a check for 300-600 bucks when
the shop
> > says you need repairs.
> > The poorer people can't afford to keep cars in impecable order.   AND DON'T
> > anyone start with "Well, then they can't afford to drive" CRAP.    
> > Anyone can drive what they want.  CAn you say LIABILTY insurance?

> Not to mention that a very small percentage of vehicle accidents are the
> result of worn or defective parts.  There are bigger fish to fry!

> --
> Neil Nelson
> ***********************************
> Send Lawyers Guns and Money,
> The shit has hit the fan.  WZ
> ***********************************

Tony Pellicc

Michigan smog rules

by Tony Pellicc » Tue, 03 Aug 1999 04:00:00


says...

Beacause of pressure from the fed Rhode Island has adopted a new
inspection schedule. Cars go in every two years and they've reduced the
safety check in favor of an emissions testing. Curious how most of our
smog blows in from the middle of the country yet we're the ones the fed
extorts from.

Tony

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== Trustee WE1RD

Uncle Do

Michigan smog rules

by Uncle Do » Tue, 03 Aug 1999 04:00:00

There is no perfect solution.  Luckily, as someone else pointed out, there are
very few accidents actually caused by mechanical failure due to neglect or
improper maintenance.  It seems there are more sudden failures on newer cars
that are suppossed to be in perfect safe order.  I think  many people who know
their car is not up to par don't push it to the limits.  Some cars are just for
put putting around back and forth to work, not for freeway high speed use.
Much more important things to worry about in the auto/driving/roadway danger
area.
I personally don't like highly populated states/areas that have, or have
decided they have the need for such inspections and laws.   I don't want the
govt/state etc protecting me or my family.  With protection comes control.   I
am not willing to compromise my rights for this help.
I susbscribe to the CYA theory.  COVER YOUR (own) ASS theory.  My idea are a
little/lot warped, but they are the only ones I have.
I also prefer liability insurance laws to be slight.
I have liven in an area that at one time had no requirement for auto liability
ins.  
Then it was law, but you only had to show a policy when you got plates.  Many
people took out a policy and cancelled it the after the first month.  The
insurance companies did not descriminate for this type of behavior.  
Then the policy showing disappeared.  You only had to "swear" that you had
liability to get yearly renewals.
Needless to say many drove without insurance.
A few years back, the big push came.
Proof of ins must be shown at all traffic stops and in each court appearance.
Big license suspensions and required SR-22 for years if caught.
This has lowered the number of un-insured drivers, but I liked it the old way.
All the laws do is make the insurance companies richer.  1-800-SAFE-AUTO
-----have we all seen these commercials??

What makes us feel we have the right to force someone/everyone else to keep
themselves in a position to take care of us if they end up liable for damage to
us??

If you are afraid of getting hit by someone without insurance ,you carry full
coverage.
Actually, I think isurance should be reversed.  Everyone should carry full
coverage and no one would need liability, LOL.    This would end the lawsuit
crap.  
" I think I'll just slam on my brakes and let him hit me so I can cash in"
attitude.

I could go on forever about several different topics but I'll spare everyone.

"Things that make you go--Humm."

P.J. Hartm

Michigan smog rules

by P.J. Hartm » Tue, 03 Aug 1999 04:00:00

On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:19:28 -0400, "Brent"


>> We do not
>>have a safety inspection program either.
>_RANT ON_
>Does anyone else think this is completely idiotic?  It seems that "safety"
>is such a big concern, yet 3000+lbs vehicles are permitted to hurtle down
>our interstates at warp speeds with critical systems in disrepair (brakes,
>tires, steering?).  I cannot comprehend why there is not a more strict
>system of safety inspection nationwide.  I think inspections should be done
>twice a year!  A car should be in the shop at least that number of time just
>for normal maintenance.
>_RANT OFF_

In my home state, the annual inspection program was discontinued
around 1980, because it was not effective.  There were too many ways
for people to pass inspections (shady operators, etc.,) or to just not
bother at all.

Instead, the use of impromptu roadside inspections was substituted.
Thus far, I've never had to stop for one of these inspections, so I
doubt their usefulness.

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JWR3

Michigan smog rules

by JWR3 » Tue, 03 Aug 1999 04:00:00

How much is your kid's life worth???? I'll bet it's a completely different
number than the insurance industry thinks..  IF YOU CANT AFFORD TO REPAIR
SAFETY COMPONENTS ON YOUR CAR PARK THE DAMN THING AND RIDE A BUS.